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		<title>On Being An Ecclesial Theologian: #7</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Hiestand</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adding to this post&#8230; 7. Work with Others Who Know What You&#8217;re Working On I&#8217;m connected with a small handful of pastors who know what projects I&#8217;m working on, and vice versa. One friend is editing a six volume series on Anglican catechesis, another is doing work on the Kingdom of God, another is doing [...]]]></description>
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<p>7. Work with Others Who Know What You&#8217;re Working On<br />
I&#8217;m connected with a small handful of pastors who know what projects I&#8217;m working on, and vice versa. One friend is editing a six volume series on Anglican catechesis, another is doing work on the Kingdom of God, another is doing biblical theology work on the final judgement, and another is looking at the relationship between and Adam and Christ.  As we come across relevant articles, passages of scripture, books, etc., that impact the various things we are each researching, we&#8217;ll send each other texts, e-mails, links, or scan documents to each other. In a similar vein, Matthew, Jason and I connect once a month for a Skype meeting, further enabling our capacity to support each other in our respective work. I&#8217;ve found this enormously helpful, both in motivating me to keep moving, but also in providing valuable avenues of research that I might otherwise not have stumbled upon. So let me encourage you to find a few people with whom to partner; not only will you get further, faster. But you&#8217;ll likely find your own theological project enriched by the projects of your peers.</p>
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		<title>SAET Reading List for Ecclesial Theologians</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Hiestand</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here at the SAET we are firm believers in reading primary works.  So in the interest of ad fontes, we&#8217;ve put together a list of what we believed to be the most important theological works in the history of the church. (A special thanks to Matthew Mason for giving us a solid first draft.) No [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.saet-online.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/50254_78022237464_2207553_n.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-3746" title="50254_78022237464_2207553_n" src="http://www.saet-online.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/50254_78022237464_2207553_n.jpg" alt="" width="154" height="162" /></a>Here at the SAET we are firm believers in reading primary works.  So in the interest of <em>ad fontes</em>, we&#8217;ve put together a list of what we believed to be the most important theological works in the history of the church. (A special thanks to Matthew Mason for giving us a solid first draft.) No doubt some will quibble about what we&#8217;ve left off, or what we&#8217;ve included.  But we&#8217;ve worked hard to be catholic, in the most generous sense of that term, and we hope you&#8217;ll find the list helpful in guiding your studies.</p>
<p>A couple of quick comments that will help orient you to this list: 1) The list was put together by North American, Reformed-leaning, evangelical Protestants.  2) We&#8217;ve avoided the temptation to succumb to any kind of theological affirmative action. The point was not to put together a list that gives equal representation to  the various sectors of the community of faith (e.g., women, minorities, charismatics, etc.), but rather to put together a list of the most influential works in church history. 3) In keeping with the preceding point, the items on this list &#8212; with the exception of Schleiermacher &#8212; represent trinitarian, orthodox theology, and thus are not only historically important, but pastorally enriching as well.</p>
<p>Final Note: The list has a <a href="http://www.saet-online.org/reading-list/">permanent place </a>on the SAET site, and a pdf of this list can be found <a href="http://www.saet-online.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/SAET-Reading-List-for-Ecclesial-Theologians.pdf">here</a>.</p>
<h4><strong>Apostolic Fathers </strong></h4>
<p><em>Ad Diognetus</em><br />
<em>Didache</em><br />
<em>1 Clement</em><br />
<em>The Seven Epistles of Ignatius</em><br />
(All texts in Michael Holmes, 3rd ed.)</p>
<h4><strong>Patristic</strong><strong> </strong></h4>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>Creedal Material</strong><br />
The Apostles Creed<br />
The Nicene Creed (325 AD)<br />
The Niceno-Constanopolitan Creed (381 AD)<br />
Definition of the Council of Chalcedon (451)<br />
The “Athanasian” Creed</p>
<p><strong>Theologians</strong><br />
Irenaeus, <em>Against Heresies </em> (<em>Adversus Haereses</em>) Books 3-5<br />
Athanasius, <em>On the Incarnation </em>(<em>De Incarnatione</em>)<br />
Gregory of Nyssa, <em>Catechetical Oration</em><br />
Gregory Nazianzus, <em>Theological Orations</em> (esp. Second Oration)<br />
Basil, <em>On the Spirit</em><br />
Augustine, <em>Confessions</em><br />
Augustine, <em>The City of God </em>(esp. books 11-22)<br />
Augustine, <em>On the Trinity </em>(<em>De Trinitate</em>)<br />
Augustine, <em>The Spirit and the Letter</em><br />
Augustine<em>, On the Grace of Christ and Original Sin</em></p>
<h4><strong>Medieval</strong></h4>
<p>St. Benedict, <em>The Benedictine Rule </em>(ed. Timothy Frye)<br />
Bernard of Clairvaux, <em>On Loving God </em>(Harper Collins, 2005)<br />
Anselm, <em>Monologion</em><br />
Anselm, <em>Proslogion</em><br />
Anselm, <em>Why Did God Become Man? </em>(<em>Cur Deus Homo</em>)<br />
Peter Lombard, <em>The Sentences </em>(esp. “On Predestination and Grace,” and “On Use vs. Enjoyment”)<br />
Thomas Aquinas, <em>Summa Theologiae </em>(esp. First Part, qq. 1-49, First Part of the Second Part, qq. 1-5, 90-114, Second Part of the Second Part, qq.1-46, and Third Part, qq. 1-59)</p>
<h4><strong>Reformation and Post-Reformation</strong></h4>
<p><strong>Confessions and Councils</strong><br />
Lutheran Book of Concord<br />
39 Articles of the Church of England<br />
Belgic Confession<br />
Heidelberg Catechism<br />
Second Helvetic Confession<br />
Canons of Dort<br />
The Westminster Confession<br />
The Westminster Shorter Catechism<br />
The Book of Common Prayer (1662 version)<br />
Council of Trent (esp. sessions 5 and 6 on original sin and justification)</p>
<p><strong>Theologians</strong><br />
Martin Luther, <em>The Freedom of a Christian</em><br />
Martin Luther, <em>The Babylonian Captivity of the Church</em><br />
Martin Luther, <em>The Bondage of the Will</em><br />
Martin Luther<em>, Galatians Commentary, 1519 and 1535 editions</em><br />
John Calvin, <em>Institutes of the Christian Religion</em><br />
John Calvin, Selections from his <em>Biblical Commentaries</em><br />
Zacharius Ursinus, <em>Commentary on the Heidelberg Catechism</em></p>
<h4>Modern</h4>
<p><strong>Theologians</strong><br />
Jonathan Edwards, <em>On the Religious Affections</em><br />
Jonathan Edwards, <em>The End for Which God Created the World</em><br />
Friederich Schleiermacher, <em>The Christian Faith</em><br />
Herman Bavinck, <em>Reformed Dogmatics</em> (4 vols.)<br />
Dietrich Bonhoeffer, <em>The Cost of Discipleship</em><br />
Karl Barth, <em>Evangelical Theology</em><br />
Karl Barth, <em>Church Dogmatics. </em>(esp. vols. II.1, II.2, IV.1, IV.2)</p>
<p><strong>Councils and Catechisms</strong><br />
The Catechism of the Catholic Church<br />
Vatican II (esp. <em>Dei Verbum, Gaudium et Spes, </em>and<em> Lumen Gentium</em>)</p>
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		<title>Six Steps Toward Being an Ecclesial Theologian</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 20:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Hiestand</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If there&#8217;s one thing I&#8217;ve learned since starting the SAET, it&#8217;s this: being an ecclesial theologian requires swimimg upstream. Of course, being a &#8220;local&#8221; pastor-theologian is difficult enough, especially in the atheological miasma of contemporary evangelicalism. But pressing beyond this to the calling of the ecclesial theologian takes extra thoughtfulness and intentionality. We here at [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.saet-online.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/tie-a-bow-tie-0508-lg.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-3317" title="tie-a-bow-tie-0508-lg" src="http://www.saet-online.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/tie-a-bow-tie-0508-lg.jpg" alt="" width="251" height="215" /></a>If there&#8217;s one thing I&#8217;ve learned since starting the SAET, it&#8217;s this: being an ecclesial theologian requires swimimg upstream. Of course, being a &#8220;local&#8221; pastor-theologian is difficult enough, especially in the atheological miasma of contemporary evangelicalism. But pressing beyond this to the calling of the ecclesial theologian takes extra thoughtfulness and intentionality. We here at the SAET don&#8217;t have it all figured out. But since transitioning to my <a href="http://www.calvarymemorial.com/">current pastoral position</a> (where I now work alongside SAET co-founder Todd Wilson), I&#8217;ve got an increasing sense about some of the moves one can make that help facilitate the eccesial theologian vision. So in a roughly descending order of importance, here are at least six things I&#8217;ve found helpful.</p>
<p><strong>1. Staff to the vision.</strong> I don&#8217;t recommend making staffing changes solely with a view to the ecclesial theologian vision, but if you oversee hiring at your church and are in need of new ministry staff, let me strongly encourage you to look for ministry partners who share your sense of calling to theological scholarship. There aren&#8217;t (yet) many of us, of course. But if you can find a like-minded ministry partner who is serious about writing theological scholarship you will have overcome perhaps the most significant hurdle of the ecclesial theologian: isolation. The positive vocational peer-pressure and theological ferment found in the day to day relational exchange of the academy is absent in the local church context. This is a significant disability to the ecclesial theologian. Most of us don&#8217;t operate in a working environment where we can pop our head into the room next door and talk about how Thomas Aquinas&#8217; prioritization of the intellect in conversion causes him to arrive at a different <em>ordo solutis</em> than Calvin and the implications this has for the doctrine of total depravity. For example. But now I do. And the difference it has made is huge. Building a staff that not only values theology, but is actually engaged in writing theology, will do more than anything else to put wind in your sail.</p>
<p><strong>2. Get networked.</strong> Not all of us are in a position to hire a fellow ecclesial theologian to our ministry staff. Perhaps your church is too small, or perhaps you don&#8217;t oversee the hiring process. Regardless, the next most important thing is to get involved in a network of like-minded pastors. Whether formal like the SAET, or informal, having a network of peers who are engaged in theological scholarship is crucial to sustaining your theological calling. Use Skype, connect at ETS, start a blog, whatever. But find a group of pastors who are committed to publishing theology, and who regularly ask you what projects you are working on. Beyond the positive peer-pressure, a robust network is also helpful in making headway with publishers.</p>
<p><strong>3. Make your study time a priority in your weekly schedule.</strong> The expectations and demands of your congregation will almost certainly push you away from study and writing. So if you&#8217;re going to get after it, <em>you </em>are going to have to make it a priority in your schedule. I&#8217;ve found that setting aside my mornings works best for me. This year I&#8217;m reading Augustine on Mondays, Thomas on Tuesdays, Barth on Wednesdays, and contemporary theology/scholarship on Thursdays. I turn my phone off, don&#8217;t open my e-mail and don&#8217;t schedule any appointments (if at all possible) until noon. Of course, sometimes I have to pull up from studying &#8212; funerals, emergencies, etc., press in occasionally. But for the most part I&#8217;ve found that I can get nearly all of my administrative stuff done if I push it into the afternoons. (Typically, if you give yourself eight hours to do your administrative stuff, it will take eight hours. If you given yourself four, it will take four). Of course, this only works when you are in control of your schedule. Most pastors are, but some of you serve in a church where you are at the mercy of others. Even so, there are probably times in the week that are usually open. Schedule your study time around those times. And one more point here &#8212; don&#8217;t just study for your next sermon or teaching assignment. Quite apart from striving toward the calling of the ecclesial theologian, too many pastors are merely one step ahead of the theological train. The lifeblood of the pastor &#8212; whether your local congregation realizes it or not &#8212; is a steady intake of rich theology, prayer and bible reading. Stop feeling guilty about prayerfully reading Calvin&#8217;s <em>Institutes</em>, or Anthanasius&#8217; <em>On the Incarnation</em> or Augustine&#8217;s <em>De Trinitate. </em>Theological study isn&#8217;t something a pastor fits into his schedule when he&#8217;s completed his pastoral duties, rather theological study <em>is </em>the pastor&#8217;s duty. For the good of your congregation &#8212; for the good of your preaching and teaching and counseling and capacity to offer pastoral care &#8212; it is vital that you not neglect to feed yourself. <em><br />
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<p><strong>4. Get buy-in from the leadership of your church.</strong> If you&#8217;re doing your job right, the leadership of your church should eventually come to value the time you spend in your study. After all, they more than anyone else should be reaping the benefits of all your theological labor. But depending on the history of your church, theological engagement (at least the level of engagement necessary for being an ecclesial theologian) might be seen as a distraction from your pastoral duties. Go slow here. Theology has been separated from the church for long enough that it is no longer self-evident to most congregations that sustained theological engagement by their pastors is a good thing. This will need to be demonstrated, not simply argued. In any case, it&#8217;s important that you help your church leadership see that your pursuit of theological scholarship is not ancillary to your calling as a pastor, but rather a vital part of it.</p>
<p><strong>5. Don&#8217;t ever forget that theology exists for the church &#8212; your church first and foremost!</strong> If the people in your congregation don&#8217;t feel valued as your first priority, then you are being a poor ecclesial theologian. Your congregants should feel like your study time is about them, not simply your next writing project. If they start to begrudge you your study time (e.g., &#8220;he spends all his time in holed up in his office&#8221;), you will need to take a hard look at yourself and your priorities. Because it is very likely that your study time isn&#8217;t really as much about God and his kingdom as you think it is. Theology serves the church, not the other way around. Love for God and his people should drive us to our books. If love for God and our congregations isn&#8217;t the fuel that powers our study, what are we really studying for?</p>
<p><strong>6. Stop calling the place where you work an &#8220;office&#8221; and start calling it your &#8220;study&#8221;. </strong>Never, under pain of excommunication from the ecclesial theologian club, refer to your study as an office. If this is the first time you&#8217;ve heard this rule, you get three free passes. After that, you&#8217;re out. Semantics matter. If you call your study an office, the people in your church will have a certain set of expectations regarding your function as a pastor. The room with all your books, the room where you read the Scriptures and pray &#8212; that room is your study. Starting referring to it as such and your people will come to expect that studying is part of your calling.</p>
<p>Any other suggestions?</p>
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		<title>Vanhoozer Does SAET (part 2)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jason Hood</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(For part one click here.) KV spoke of the importance of direct and indirect communication (Kierkegaard&#8217;s distinction): story, parable, proverb, and action are vital (and sometimes overlooked) tools for getting a message across. This prompts KV to ask if forms or genres of Scripture have authority, and if so, how? If they are not authoritative, we could simply [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(For part one <a href="http://www.saet-online.org/vanhoozer-does-saet-part-1/06/">click here</a>.)</p>
<p>KV spoke of the importance of direct <em>and </em>indirect communication (Kierkegaard&#8217;s distinction): story, parable, proverb, and action are vital (and sometimes overlooked) tools for getting a message across. This prompts KV to ask if <em>forms</em> or <em>genres</em> of Scripture have authority, and if so, how? If they are not authoritative, we could simply download true facts abstracted from the Bible and be done with the tricky forms! (I also have in my notes the question, &#8220;Is Paul&#8217;s life canonical?&#8221; i.e., 1 Cor 4:8-17, but I cannot remember if that&#8217;s KV&#8217;s idea or my own reflection.)</p>
<p><strong>The goal of theology is to form people of wisdom</strong>, not least so that theology and the life lived are not divorced. He gave the example of Philemon, where Paul foregoes command in order to facilitate a &#8220;fitting act that refreshes the heart,&#8221; as Vanhoozer interpreted it; or &#8220;prepared spontaneity,&#8221; in Paul Tripp&#8217;s wonderful phrase, brought out by Matthew Mason in his response paper. First Theology is about the gospel, but in a broad sense, larger than sin-defined needs&#8211;that&#8217;s milk, the beginning, but not the end.</p>
<p>Kevin&#8217;s recommendations included Fred Sanders, <em>The Deep Things of God</em>; <strong>he urged us to pursue a trinitarian gospel-centeredness, so that our gospel accounts for and celebrates &#8220;Not just God for us, but God with us and in us.&#8221;</strong> This is just one example of KV&#8217;s consistent effort to overcome theory-praxis distinction, a theme that arose repeatedly in<em>Drama</em> and in our discussion. KV asks what it means to be biblical, and he very forcefully insists that it is not enough to have the right propositions in hand&#8230;we must follow those facts, &#8220;walk in the way,&#8221; exercising (and acting in) judgment: we are actors, not just spectators.</p>
<p>The theologian also has the task of cultivating not just the intellect, but intellectual virtues, and habits of the mind linked to those virtues. Humility, not hubris; honesty, justice, patience; an intellectual pursuit that is &#8220;less about me.&#8221; A high view of our own thoughts over time makes us closed-minded and pastorally disastrous. (JH note: How do we balance this with the pastor-theologian as &#8220;public intellectual&#8221; and &#8220;Big Picture Specialist&#8221;?!? I&#8217;d recommend<a href="http://www.patheos.com/community/jesuscreed/2011/06/10/humility/"> John Dickson&#8217;s new book, </a><em><a href="http://www.patheos.com/community/jesuscreed/2011/06/10/humility/">Humilitas</a></em>.)</p>
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		<title>Vanhoozer Does SAET (part 1)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 14:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jason Hood</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or did SAET do Vanhoozer? I&#8217;m not sure, but Vanhoozer was present while we all did Ecclesial Theology. The Second Fellowship of the SAET met this week in Chicago. It was everything one would want: encouraging, challenging, course-correcting, vision-casting. Kevin Vanhoozer was our special guest; Doug Sweeney, our regular Second Fellowship advisor, was also in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or did SAET do Vanhoozer? I&#8217;m not sure, but Vanhoozer was present while we all did Ecclesial Theology. The Second Fellowship of the SAET met this week in Chicago. It was everything one would want: encouraging, challenging, course-correcting, vision-casting.</p>
<p>Kevin Vanhoozer was our special guest; Doug Sweeney, our regular Second Fellowship advisor, was also in attendance, and both brought the wisdom for us. Several of us gave papers that attempted to make Pumpkin Pie out of The Great Pumpkin, Vanhoozer&#8217;s <em>Drama of Doctrine</em>. KV interacted with our responses and spent time reflecting with us on what needs to happen in the theological-pastoral enterprise in which we are all engaged. A few soundbites faithfully (I hope) paraphrased:</p>
<p>&#8220;<strong>Theology is the study of reality. A theologian is a minister of reality.</strong>&#8221; Part of the theologian&#8217;s task is to challenge and cast down idolatrous counter-realities.</p>
<p>The task of the theologian is that of &#8220;public intellectual,&#8221; not necessarily in the global, CNN sense, but in the local sense. In a segmented world, pastor-theologians are the ones who can help make sense of the world as a whole. Local attempts to provide an answer to truly challenging questions, i.e., &#8220;What is a human being?&#8221; and thus make sense of the world cannot in fact do so.</p>
<p>The attempt to answer such questions can be made within the solar systems of economics, social media, medicine and science, politics, journalistic media, etc., and we can learn from such attempts. But wherever the attempt is made reductionism mars the end result. Theology alone gets to say, from a cosmic perspective, &#8220;God and reality are more than economics,&#8221; and theologians alone are the &#8220;Big Picture Specialists.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;<strong>Theology and Christianity is not about getting God into my life, but about me getting into the life and story of God, who is restoring all things and renewing his image.</strong>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>Bishops and book-banning (or book-testing) viewed Darkly</title>
		<link>http://www.saet-online.org/bishops-and-book-banning-or-book-testing-viewed-darkly/10/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jason Hood</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[An interview with David Dark (2005) supports the point I made in a previous post about the important discernment role of pastor-theologians, and the need to place would-be &#8220;Christian&#8221; books and their ecclesial impact on the scales.  This is as big a problem in the modern church as it was in the ancient church, and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interview with David Dark (2005) supports the point I made in <a href="http://www.saet-online.org/of-bishops-and-book-banning/10/">a previous post</a> about the important discernment role of pastor-theologians, and the need to place would-be &#8220;Christian&#8221; books and their ecclesial impact on the scales.  This is as big a problem in the modern church as it was in the ancient church, and throughout church history.</p>
<p><strong>Christianbook.com:</strong></p>
<blockquote><p><strong></strong>You note that most Christians are unable to determine whether something is morally edifying unless the movie, album or book immediately defines itself as such. As a result, the Christian culture has allowed marketing teams to define that which is Christian and to distinguish those things which are not Christian or ‘secular.’ . . . You also state, “<em>I’m personally convinced that such market-driven theology will be viewed historically, with at least as much embarrassment as, say, the medieval sale of indulgences</em>.” What might you say to those who would disagree with this conclusion? To those who have grown up in the context of “Christian Culture,” how can they develop a more discerning view of contemporary culture?</p>
<p><strong>David Dark:</strong></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong></strong>I&#8217;d say that the Catholic Church eventually repented over the indulgences, but there&#8217;s no sign of a similar moment of clarity in corporations who want their profits (at any cost) from their so-called &#8220;Christian&#8221; companies. <strong>The market will call &#8220;Christian&#8221; whatever sells as &#8220;Christian&#8221; and well-meaning church people inherit the heresy.</strong> The market we will always have with us (this side of the coming kingdom), but discerning the spirits and sorting out our allegiances from consumerism and America and whatever we&#8217;ve gotten fooled over is a fulltime, communal occupation. Studying history, praying, and talking these things through is really all we can do. But it&#8217;s what the church has always had to do.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d only add that it is not only a communal occupation; someone has to take the lead in discernment, historical perspective, and prayer.  I vote for pastor-theologians.</p>
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		<title>Revelation, served three ways</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 20:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jason Hood</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve really enjoyed teaching through Revelation with my buddy Robbyn Abedi.  I&#8217;ve really enjoyed reading three books (in addition to commentary dabbling), by very different writers whose perspectives result in very different insights:  a scholar-exegete-theologian (Richard Bauckham, Theology of the Book of Revelation), a worship leader, musician and pastor (Michael Card and Scotty Smith, Unveiled Hope), and a [...]]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve really enjoyed teaching through Revelation with <a href="http://abedis.posterous.com/">my buddy Robbyn Abedi</a>.  I&#8217;ve really enjoyed reading three books (in addition to commentary dabbling), by very different writers whose perspectives result in very different insights:  a scholar-exegete-theologian (Richard Bauckham, <em>Theology of the Book of Revelation</em>), a worship leader, musician and pastor (Michael Card and Scotty Smith, <em>Unveiled Hope</em>), and a contemplative-pastor type (Eugene Peterson, <em>Reversed Thunder</em>).  It&#8217;s been a great exercise, and a fantastic reminder that those with different gifts have much to give one another&#8211;surely one lesson we&#8217;re trying to learn at SAET, by focusing on what it means to be in the church doing theology.</p>
<p>For one sample of Peterson&#8217;s pastoral angle:  the first century churches in Asia were not a bunch of weaklings. On the outside, especially by the standards of their culture, they may have looked like it. But should we see these Christians as harried, harassed?  Eugene says no:</p>
<p>“These men and women from the moment of their baptism in the name of the Trinity, knew their lives as miracles of resurrection. The people who gathered each Lord’s Day to sing their Lord’s praises and receive his life were the most robust in the Roman empire.</p>
<p>They were immersed in splendors. They brimmed with life. Even when their zeal cooled, as it sometimes did, and their taut loyalties went a little slack, as sometimes happened, there was far more going on in their lives than in the Babylon-seduced lives of their contemporaries. And they knew it. When they forgot, St. John reminded them.</p>
<p>We must never forget that the pictures of wildly celebrative praise in heaven and catastrophic woes wreaked on earth…that all this stuff was made out of their daily traffic in scripture, baptism, and eucharist. In this heaven-penetrated, hell-threatened environment they lived their daily lives. Nothing . . . could equal it for depth of meaning and drama of inciden</p>
<p>There could not have been many dull moments in those lives, nor need there be in ours. When dull moment did come, they were recognized as the work of the devil and were chased by the apocalypse-informed imagination at worship.” (<em>Reversed Thunder</em>, 70-71)</p>
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		<title>Ecclesial Theology and SBL</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Hiestand</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Elsewhere I&#8217;ve argued that the social locations of the academy and the church represent two distinct (and often diverging) fields of theological discourse.  In as much as most of our theologians and scholars are situated in the academy, orthodox theology has become, in many instances, detached from the church and her concerns. While there remains [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elsewhere I&#8217;ve argued that the social locations of the academy and the church represent two distinct (and often diverging) fields of theological discourse.  In as much as most of our theologians and scholars are situated in the academy, orthodox theology has become, in many instances, detached from the church and her concerns. While there remains some overlap between the academy and the church  (particularly when one includes the seminary as a sub-set of  the academic world), overall, these two social locations represent  diverging theological/scholarly agendas.</p>
<p>The point above regarding diverging social locations is aptly illustrated by a recent exchange between SBL and a disgruntled former member, Ronald S. Hendel. Hendel <a href="http://www.bib-arch.org/bar/article.asp?PubID=BSBA&amp;Volume=36&amp;Issue=4&amp;ArticleID=9">accuses</a> SBL of becoming too cozy with faith perspectives. The response from SBL is revealing:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Although SBL invites vigorous discussion of all relevant topics, proselytizing activity is neither welcome nor permitted in SBL-sponsored events and publications and is inconsistent with the SBL’s core values: accountability, inclusiveness, collaboration, leadership in biblical scholarship, collegiality, productivity, commitment, responsiveness to change, communication, scholarly integrity, efficiency, and tolerance. Consequently, any instances of proselytizing activity should be reported to SBL staff. Further, we are unaware of any RBL reviews that even “hint” that anyone is “going to hell.” If any SBL member can point us to such a review, we will immediately remove the review and disavow its sentiments.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Clearly the rules of engagement governing SBL do not lend themselves to the sort of theological task historically prosecuted by  the church&#8217;s most influential theologians. The church&#8217;s task is, explicitly, a proselytizing one. Indeed, a significant bulk of the church&#8217;s reflection is driven by, and born out of, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2028:19-20&amp;version=NIV">the duty of proselyting</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad believing, orthodox scholars like <a href="http://euangelizomai.blogspot.com/2010/06/danger-alert-religious-people-attend.html">Michael Bird</a> and others are present and moving in the SBL environment. The Christian community needs a voice there;  we have both things to learn and to teach. But given the stated aims of SBL, it should be clear that the agenda of SBL &#8212; reflective of the wider academic context &#8211;  represents an entirely different sort of agenda than what must once again come to constitute the core of orthodox, theological reflection. We are in need of a rebirth of the ecclesial theologian &#8212; the kind  of theologian whose primary vocation is pastoral, and whose  intellectual center and theological agenda is constituted by the church.</p>
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		<title>Pastor-Theologians and Academic Theologians: Toward a Healthy Division of Labor, Part 3</title>
		<link>http://www.saet-online.org/pastor-theologians-and-academic-theologians-toward-a-healthy-division-of-labor-part-3/06/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 15:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Hiestand</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Following up from part one and part two&#8230; Yet in drawing a contrast between academic theology and ecclesial theology, an important words needs to be said here about the mutually dependent nature of the church and academy. As my vision for ecclesial theology has unfolded, I’ve become increasingly aware of the need for a robust [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following up from <a href="http://www.saet-online.org/pastor-theologians-and-academic-theologians-a-few-thoughts-in-light-of-jensons-systematic-theology/03/">part one</a> and <a href="http://www.saet-online.org/pastor-theologians-and-academic-theologians-toward-a-healthy-division-of-labor-part-2/04/">part two</a>&#8230;</p>
<p>Yet in drawing a contrast between academic theology and ecclesial theology, an important words needs to be said here about the mutually dependent nature of the church and academy. As my vision for ecclesial theology has unfolded, I’ve become increasingly aware of the need for a robust partnership between believing academic theologians and pastor-theologians. Doug Sweeney (himself a respected academic historian), helped crystallize this for me at the close of the 2009 Fellowship Symposium of the Society for the Advancement of Ecclesial Theology (SAET). Sweeney suggested:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We will not always need academic, systematic theologians to do all the heavy theological lifting for God’s people. We are not often explicit about this, but systematic theology, insofar as it is distinguished from biblical, historical, philosophical, psychological, and intercultural theology, is the work of generalists, people who synthesize the findings of those in the other scholarly disciplines and neither have nor require a methodology of their own. They put the big picture together and apply it to our lives. They don’t require the resources or the structures of the academy to do this kind of work (though they do need very good libraries). In fact, the people best suited to synthesize our knowledge of God and His ways in the world, applying this knowledge to the empirical realities people face, are pastor-theologians.</p>
<p>We should work toward a day when professors view themselves as handmaids serving pastor-theologians, and pastor-theologians play an important public role in guiding people theologically. Professors should continue to offer specialized instruction in ancient languages and history, exegesis, church history, social science, and philosophy. They will continue to raise up future generations of pastors. But we should work to raise up the kinds of pastors who can synthesize, exposit, and apply the knowledge of God to the lives of all God’s people with authority.”</p></blockquote>
<p>We no longer live in a pre-critical context, and thus the pastor-theologian can no longer go it alone. The modern research university—with all of its blessings and challenges—is here to stay.  Thus academic theologians and pastor-theologians must work in tandem, each bringing a strength to the theological task the other lacks. As a general rule, the academic context will push professors toward specialized research, while the ecclesial context will push pastors toward multi-disciplinary synthesis. Consequently, the pastor-theologian, even though widely read, will likely lack narrow expertise in the sub-fields of the various theological disciplines. He is thus in need of the believing research professor to help him sort through the myriad of secondary literature, and to serve as a guide to the wealth of resources housed within the academic community. And believing professors need pastor-theologians who can partner with them in thinking through the ecclesial relevance of their academic work, providing professors with a more robust understanding of how the various theological/intellectual paradigms of the academy intersect with the situation on the ground.</p>
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		<title>The Pastor-Theologian as Ecclesial Theologian</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Hiestand</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve reworked my 2009 Symposium paper in light of feedback received. The paper brings together the content of my Reformation 21 article, with the content of my taxonomy series, and seeks to articulate an understanding of the pastor-theologian that includes the writing of ecclesial theology as as significant factor in the pastor-theologian&#8217;s identity. The intent [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve reworked my <a href="http://www.saet-online.org/saet-fellowship/fellowship-symposium/">2009 Symposium</a> paper in light of feedback received. The paper brings together the content of my <a href="http://www.reformation21.org/articles/ecclesial-theology-and-academic-theology-why-we-need-more-of-the-former.php">Reformation 21 article</a>, with the content of my <a href="http://www.saet-online.org/a-taxonomy-of-the-pastor-theologian-part-1/11/">taxonomy series</a>, and seeks to articulate an understanding of the pastor-theologian that includes the writing of ecclesial theology as as significant factor in the pastor-theologian&#8217;s identity.</p>
<p>The intent is to include this paper in an edited volume alongside the other 2009 Pastor-Theologian Symposium papers, so any feedback before publication is welcome.  Here&#8217;s the introduction followed by a link to a pdf:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Society for the Advancement of Ecclesial Theology (SAET) is, as its name suggests, a society dedicated to the advancement of ecclesial theology.  And in its effort to advance ecclesial theology, the SAET has largely placed its hope in the resurgence of the pastor-theologian. Not because academic theologians are incapable of producing ecclesial theology (quite the contrary), but because the pastoral office uniquely positions one to think both theologically and ecclesially. If history is any guide, the relationship between the pastor-theologian and ecclesial theology is such that the success of each rises and falls with the other. And postmodernity—for all its weaknesses—properly reminds us of the connection between theological formation and social location.   As Daniel Migliore appropriately notes, “the concrete situation of theology helps to shape the questions that are raised and the priorities that are set.”  Who better, then, to articulate theology with a view to the church than those whose primary social location is the local church?</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.saet-online.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/The-Pastor-as-Ecclesial-Theologian-Hiestand.pdf">The Pastor as Ecclesial Theologian</a></p>
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